The thing looks great. When the curtains first rose on the 2022 Honda Civic's simplified, dignified sheet metal, the response was split right down the middle. Shocker. Many, myself included, see a Honda Civic Type R vs Seat Leon Cupra streetrace MSRIf you’d like to be notified every time I upload a video, subscribe and then click the bell icon next to To make a link to Duel: Honda Civic Type R vs Seat Leon II TFSI in a forum, please use this code: Site contains technical data sheets about ~10600 cars (from 200 The Seat Leon might have been around since 2005, but the shape still looks contemporary. The Cupra R appears alike to the traditional vehicle, but there have been a number of bespoke changes. These include the twin centre exhausts with a custom back diffuser and a discreetly extended back spoiler. The 2023 Civic is available in sedan and hatchback body styles, although the latter is more like an Audi A7 “Sportback” in body style than an old-school, Civic hatchback. The sedan is 4.9 It took almost no time for Deniz to decide which car was in third place Subscribe for more videos from Auto Trader every Friday: http://bit.ly/1JDNLigTo r LywyI. Bringing car spotting into perspective Real height1 m 2 + cm 1 m Real height1 + cm 1 m Real length Click/tap cars to swap positions Street perspective vs. specification. See Disclaimer. Side ViewHonda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 vs. Seat León (1P) 5-door Hatchback 2005 Technical specs | Honda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 is cm longer and cm lower compared to Seat León (1P) 5-door Hatchback 2005. It offers 56% less cargo 1. Maximum height | 2. Width with folded mirrors | 3. Max. ground clearance | 4. Most common power unit. Possible deviation of standards. | 5. With rear seats folded down Quick Facts 721801 Comparison combinations Germany Origin of the most car models 1908 Year of our oldest car model The Seat Leon Cupra R is 306bhp of fiery, finely honed fun - but can it match the latest Honda Civic Type R for driving thrills? Cupra’s infotainment is far superior to that of the Civic Honda is equally quick but packs its punch at higher revs Both cars corner sensationally flat Sporty intent of the Type R is as clear inside as outside Honda’s gives 316bhp and 295lb ft Cupra R grips well but it lacks adjustability Copper colouring tells you it’s a Cupra Well of torque in the Seat is deep and wide for easy, rapid pace Seat puts out 306bhp and 280lb ft Alcantara and leather lift the Leon’s ambience Type R’s chassis engages its driver more in the handling Civic Type R is a series-production car Cupra R: UK gets 24 of a 799-unit run Close 7 mins read10 August 2020 Regardless of the outcome of this showdown, if you’re talking about hot hatches in the conventional sense, the current Civic Type R is the best money can buy. No other front-driven car for which you can lay down a deposit at your nearest dealership marries such crushing pace with such a deep-seated sense of mechanical involvement. In fact, the only reason this magazine’s road testers elected to bestow upon it four and a half stars is because those so inclined were a little more vociferous in their sentiments than the ones who would give it five. Although it no longer rages, the debate lingers. As you’ve probably surmised, we haven’t committed editorial hara-kiri and given up the verdict in the first line. Rather, the Honda is the only car in this duo that you can actually buy. Why a nation famous for loosening the purse strings in the pursuit of agile, affordable, peppy shopping carts should be allocated a paltry 24 cars from a run of 799 is anybody’s guess, but each right-hand-drive example of the lava-hot Seat Leon Cupra R is now spoken for, which renders this twin test both academic and fascinating. This article was originally published on 5 May 2018. We're revisiting some of Autocar's most popular features to provide engaging content in these challenging times. Academic, because even should this £34,995 newcomer bury its esteemed rival in a win that would come as a considerable but welcome surprise, you still can’t have one. Fascinating because this is the last Cupra model before ‘Cupra’ becomes an independent, performance-oriented institution in the manner of Mercedes-AMG. What this car portends–its relative strengths, drawbacks, focus and, most important for us, the ability to entertain is therefore the concern of anybody who might at some point seriously consider buying a hot hatch. This battle is for the moral victory. Perhaps for you, it’s a conflict that the Japanese car has already surrendered. You will by now have formed your own opinion of the FK8-generation Civic Type R’s aesthetics, and it may not be entirely favourable. However, with the distinctive-looking Honda sitting longer and wider but no taller than the Seat Leon Cupra R, for sheer presence we’re talking cold-blooded murder here. Autocar's top 10 hot hatches Moreover, in classic Championship White, many of the intricacies swallowed up by darker hues emerge: Mitsubishi Evolution-style vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof; side-skirt fins; a vast ventdraining the front wheel arches of lift-inducing pressure; the way the end-plates of that colossal wing flair at their base. Look closely and you’ll notice that even the headlight lenses feature aero mouldings. It’s a curious, formidable thing that could only ever have been born in Japan and, to these eyes, it’s handsome in the same way haggis is tasty. But enough about this 316bhp Honda, which starts up with an unexpectedly demure burble lost among the harder frequencies and altogether less sociable amplitude of its rip-snorting rival. Previous Cupra variants based on this third-generation Leon have been phenomenally quick point to point but have tempered that with a demeanour that cruises under the radar. That’s not the case here. The front and rear valances, skirts and wing are wrought of genuine carbonfibre (the Honda gets a derisible artificial wrap) and there’s copper-coloured detailing everywhere, not least on the intake blades and two-tone 19in alloy wheels, which works far better than it should. Those wheels fail to obscure Brembo brakes that are larger than the ones on the Leon Cupra 300 and book-end a front axle that has had its geometry tweaked to offer a degree more negative camber. With new suspension uprights as well, Seat’s aim has been to make the chassis feel a little more ‘pointy’, although the contact patch is 10mm narrower at each corner than the Honda’s. Even so, aided by smooth Tarmac and warm tyres, the Cupra R’s shockingly direct changes in trajectory threatened to rip rubber from rim on its international launch in Spain last year. Flow the car through a few British bends and you’re greeted by what is arguably its métier. The steering rack has been quickened a touch just off centre and has a crisp levity to it, weighting up naturally and with a steely core that transmits, yes, some genuine feel. The narrow gauge of the rim (manufacturers of even far more expensive, potent machinery, please take note) and indulgently soft Alcantara upholstery that, I suspect, is the same as that used in the new Porsche 911 GT3 certainly help. Overall, it’s a fantastic, flickable helm. Then there’s the engine. Rarely is the lump under the bonnet the most memorable aspect of a hot hatch, and that’s the case with the Cupra R, although for a four-cylinder workhorse, this one is absurdly talented. Its peak torque of 280lb ft arrives at only 1800rpm and yet, somehow, that same level of twist is still flooding through the six-speed manual gearbox at 5700rpm. Too much of its character is dependent on exhaust tuning, but a more tractable, cultured four-pot you’ll not find in anything with five seats and boot. It is a shame, then, that some of the basics – and the more nuanced complexities – are lacking. The seats are too high-set and, strangely, given the magnitude of the bolsters, flat across their backs. The throw of this manual ’box is decently short but giddily light. The brake pedal – quite beautifully positioned in relation to the others – feels too generously servo-assisted and, on its retuned adaptive dampers, the chassislacks the final pinch of pliancy that allows its exertions to fade from your thoughts. Most telling, even in wet weather – as on the day of our photo shoot – the adjustability that bubbles up from within the best hot hatch exponents is lamentably absent, although the pace on offer is nothing short of spectacular. On British roads, the overall result is a peculiar device, and one that strongly hints at an uncompromised mission statement but ultimately delivers something of a movie punch. The Civic, meanwhile, dispenses a roundhouse, the discombobulating effects of which quickly rearrange your notion of what really constitutes ‘feeling’. The scarlet seats not only look fabulous but also cup the torso more securely. Crucially, they set your posterior more purposely low down and the consequent impression – unique among this car’s rivals – is of being securely enveloped within the chassis. Get going and you’ll find the right sort of heft in the steering and clutch and pleasing resistance in the throttle pedal’s action. Response isn’t as gloriously sharp as it is in the Seat and, lacking that car’s twin-scroll turbo, this 316bhp four isn’t as willing at lower crank speeds. However, the scales shift at the top of the rev range, where this over-square VTEC engine feasts on the final stretch of the 7000rpm redline with a zeal that’s just a little alarming if you’re not ready for it. The Honda also weighs an adult passenger less than the Seat, and you notice it. The one-two that makes the Seat drop a knee comes from the Type R’s gearshift and damping. The shift quality – honed assiduously by Honda for two decades – is short, tight, notchy perfection. The suspension, with its new rear multi- links, is something we’ve criticised in the past for being overly stiff but, in this instance, it simply feels the more adroit. The Civic’s nose duly dives for apices with the composure of an ice-breaker cruising through a frozen pond. It must be said, however, that in these conditions the Civic’s mechanical limited-slip differential has to be exploited more deftly and with greater care than its more forgiving electronic equivalent in the Leon. On low-friction surfaces, it is less predictable, locking up earlier and pushing the nose wide to sometimes startling effect. The risk- to-reward ratio is that much more engaging in the Honda, which raises the stakes further still with its oft-cited penchant for oversteer. You could flay these charges for miles and never find the gap between them to be more than a handful of car lengths. Were the Leon wearing the track-day-spec Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres that a fifth of owners are expected to specify, I dare say it would be the quicker car. Whatever the rubber, it’s also the easier of two to live with so would be the preference of the non-enthusiast members of your household. And it’s for precisely that reason it loses this contest with its head held high but ultimately by some margin. The Civic Type R bottles the sensations common to bona fide sports cars and it’s a bottle you get to screw the top off on any road and at almost any speed. In the end, it’s simple: this limited- run Seat promises great things for an incipient Cupra brand, but the Honda is comfortably there already. 1st - Honda Civic Type R: A magnificent achievement from Honda. Tangibly the more involving proposition here, despite the unquestionable quality of its opposition 2nd - Seat Leon Cupra R: Phenomenally quick Leon bodes well for the Cupra sub-brand but never feels more than the sum of its admittedly impressive parts Used cars for sale NewsletterGet all the best car news, reviews and opinions direct to your inbox three times a week. You can unsubscribe via any email we send See our full privacy notice for more details Subscribe Never miss an issue of the world's oldest car magazine – subscribe to Autocar magazine today. Subscribe Reality sometimes gets skewed at Speed Week. I mean, it's enough of a head-scrambler that we have both the P1 and 918 at our beck and call for a week, but down at the far end of the pitlane an entire touring car team is hanging out. There are laptops and air jacks, tyres by the score, neatly pressed team uniforms and talk of scrubbing in and diff settings. This is Honda Yuasa Racing. They've won 22 BTCC titles. Matt Neal is here, and so is his car. Whichis an estate. that weren't eye-rubbing enough, next to it sits another chunk of hardcore hatchery, the Seat Leon Cup Racer. You can buy one of these for £75,000 if you so wish, and if you spent a chunk more on it, I suspect you could make it road-legal. Or head in the other direction and compete in world touring cars. Or leave it as a bonkers track-day weapon. Seat says it's 30 per cent roadcar, but the only bit I recognise inside is the DSG gearlever. It looks worryingly seems odd that just about every car in the pitlane produces more power and will later get a chance to prove it by hammering these two in a straight line. Corners, though, are another matter altogether. And not an entirely straightforward one. You see, one of these behaves as you'd imagine a touring car to behave. The other doesn't. The only thing predictable about it is its Rowan HorncastleAdvertisement - Page continues belowI clamber into the Leon. There's a brake bias dial, some toggles for the ignition and many buttons on the steering wheel. The only one I actually need switches the cabin fan on and off. It gets hot in racing cars. It has 330bhp, which ought to be a lot for the front wheels to cope with, but is tamed by a hooky differential, punchy track widths and a broad expanse of slick rubber. Keen and smooth and grippy, it gives you a genuine flavour of racing without any intimidation. Well, a little intimidation - even when the rear tyres are warmed through, they'll give you a gentle nudge into oversteer if you chicken out mid-corner, and the DSG gearbox is a bit... it all holds together, the familiar turbo gets its point across effectively, the brakes are mighty and there's a cheeky scuff from the front splitter through a couple of the more twisted corners. And just like the best racers, the Leon then breaks down when we drive it slowly for tracking pictures. The next day, a man with a laptop comes. It makes no odds - the engine has had a strop. No laptime. This is a shame, as I'm 100 per cent sure it would've been faster than Matt Neal's racecar. With me driving, at this is Matt's actual racing car, not a demo or development car, and the process here is more complex. Matt has to warm it up and scrub in a new set of tyres. I have a lesson, during which I learn the Civic has a very active front diff and that I mustn't fiddle with the buttons, plus notice that the engineers and mechanics appear to be even more apprehensive than I am. They demand I wear race overalls, but, short of stripping Stig, the only set available belongs to Matt himself. So I'm not only driving his car but wearing his clothes. Matt is 6ft 6in. I look like an Oompa Loompa. I couldn't care less. I'm about to drive a front-running BTCC car, and if it drives as simply as the Leon, this will be a walk in the Corner one: massive rear-end skid - no heat in the rear tyres. Corner two: I do one thing with the steering, but, when I get back on the power, the car chooses a different direction entirely. Corner three: I turn the steering wheel, and nothing much happens. I panic and throw more lock on, at which point the front end bites abruptly and the rear slides again. Corner four, the hairpin: a repeat of corner one. Corner five is a heart-in-mouth fast left-hander onto the back straight. I'm so cowed, I'd have been faster in the - Page continues belowClearly, there's a lot going on here: the chief culprits being tyre temperature, a hilariously mobile rear end and a front diff that's too clever for its own good. I'm amazed how quickly - and noticeably - heat builds in the tyres, and lap two is a bit calmer. But the harder I go, the more aggressive the rear steering gets and the busier the diff. I have many methods of steering the car, only one of which is the wheel in front of me. That, the diff, the rear end and brakes can be used in any combination you see fit, all at the same time - and I've never been much of a multitasker. Everything affects the car's trajectory; it never seems to take the same corner the same way on any two laps. My brain struggles with the data starts to gel eventually, but if this Civic has taught me anything, it's just how ridiculously tricky it is to set up a touring car to go fast. You could spend days tweaking diff lock-up, damper rebound, rear camber and all the rest. After a few more laps, I decide that this would be a very good way to spend a few days. It's absorbingly tricky to drive fast. Bit like the P1. My reality has been skewed ContentGet all the latest news, reviews and exclusives, direct to your clicking subscribe, you agree to receive news, promotions and offers by email from Top Gear and BBC Studios. Your information will be used in accordance with our privacy policy. Compare two cars 2013. - 2016. C - Small family car hatchback, 5 door front Badges Production Vehicle class Body style Wheel drive Safety 2012. - 2015. C - Small family car hatchback, 5 door front Dimensons & Outlines Length Width Height Boot (min) Boot (max) Fuel tank 2013 Seat Leon 2012 Honda Civic © GAMA1 Solutions. Copying & distribution prohibited. Engine Petrol 4 - Inline, 2 valves per cylinder Turbo Engine Fuel Configuration Aspiration Displacement Power Torque Petrol 4 - Inline, 4 valves per cylinder Nat. Asp. Performance (manual gearbox) Gearbox type Vehicle weight Acc. 0-100 Top speed Cons. (urban) Cons. (highway) Cons. (average) CO2 emissions Performance (automatic gearbox) Gearbox type Vehicle weight Acc. 0-100 Top speed Cons. (urban) Cons. (highway) Cons. (average) CO2 emissions Expenses Virtual Adviser's™ opinion Overview Well, these are two pretty similar cars we have here! It's only details that could potentially make the difference. Considering they both belong to the small family car segment and utilize the same 5-door hatchback body style and the front wheel drive system, it all comes up to the specific petrol engine choice they offer. The first one has a Volkswagen-engineered powertrain under the hood, a 4-cylinder, 8-valves 110hp unit, while the other one gets its power and torque from a 4-cylinder, 16-valves 100hp engine designed by Honda. Safety The first thing to look into here would be the results from European New Car Assessment Programme (Euro NCAP) tests performed on the two cars. Good thing is that both vehicles got tested, with the same number of safety stars gained in the process. That aside, let's consider some other aspects which affect safety. Both vehicles belong to the small family car segment, which is generally classifying them somewhere in the middle safety-wise, but that fact doesn't break the tie between the two cars. On the other hand, taking kerb weight as an important factor into account, the Japanese car offers a marginal difference of 5% more metal. Reliability I don't like generalizing things when it comes to reliability, although it does seem that Honda as a brand displays somewhat better results, at least on all of the models level. That's the official data, while our visitors describe reliability of Seat with an average rating of and models under the Honda badge with out of 5. Independent research findings rank Leon as average reliability-wise, and Civic is more or less at the same should definitely mention that owners of cars with the same powertrain as the Spanish car rank it on average as while the one under the competitor's bonnet gets out of 5. Performance & Fuel economy Seat is way more agile, reaching 100km/h in seconds less than its competitor. In addition to that it accelerates all the way to 191 kilometers per hour, 4km/h more than the other car. When it comes to fuel economy things look pretty much the same for both cars, averaging around liters of fuel per 100 kilometers (55 mpg), in combined cycle. Verdict Honda is apparently more reliable, not too much, but just enough. The most important thing when deciding between any two vehicles should always be safety, both passive and active. In my opinion, everything taken into account, the Japanese car offers slightly better overall protection and takes the lead. From there things take a different direction, with Seat outracing its opponent in any situation possible, making it better choice for boy racers. To make things even better, it consumps less fuel! I believe that, when we take all into account, we have only one winner here - the Seat. Anyway, that's the most objective conclusion I could've came up with and it's based solely on the information found on this website. Aspects such as design, practicality, brand value and driving experience are there for you to measure them out. Also, you could use the oportunity to find out which car, everything taken into account, would be the perfect choice for you in the eyes of the virtual adviser™, out of vehicles we currently have in our database. Check a car by its VIN number Skip to ContentSkip to FooterHonda Civic Type R vs SEAT Leon Cupra & Renaultsport Megane 275 TrophyCan Honda’s new Civic Type R beat SEAT and Renault and blast to the top of the hot hatch class?2 Jul 2015Sales of hot hatchbacks took a nosedive after the global financial crisis, but high-performance family cars are now making a comeback, and their popularity is most definitely on the up. • Best hot hatchbacksAfter a five-year wait, Honda is back in the ring with its new Civic Type R, and it’s spoiling for a fight against the best in the are some big changes underneath that mean this hot Honda now has the firepower to potentially beat the best, including a new, more powerful turbo. However, it faces a tough challenge in the form of our reigning hot hatch champion – the SEAT Leon Cupra – and the old-school favourite, the Renaultsport Mégane seen here in 275 Trophy thrills are what the current crop delivers, and on the face of things the Civic Type R has the practicality to match its blistering real-world performance and agile handling. However, at £29,995 for the standard model, it’s more expensive than both rivals we’ve lined up. So, can the Honda’s extra on-paper pace and versatile cabin edge it ahead of the competition?We put the hot hatch trio to the test on road and track to find out...• Honda Civic Type R review• SEAT Leon Cupra review• Renaultsport Megane 275 Trophy reviewClick the links above to read individual reviews, and scroll down to see which hot hatch comes out on top...Head-to-headTrack focusPerformance modes are the current trend. SEAT’s switchable Drive Profiles (above) let you tailor the different settings, but with no data readouts. Honda’s +R mode is less customisable yet provides extra info, including a 0-62mph timer. And Renault’s RS Monitor gives performance readouts such as cornering g-force.’Ring recordSEAT started the hot hatch war with its Nürburgring lap record of 7: which Renault’s 275 then knocked four seconds off. Honda has now shattered this with a blistering 7: time, making it the fastest front-wheel- drive hatch to lap the are subjective, but the Honda’s eye-popping design may be a bit much for some. The Renault and SEAT are more reserved – although in the case of the Trophy, only just. Swap white for black contrast details on the Leon, and it looks even place: SEAT Leon CupraSEAT’s hold over the hot hatch class continues, thanks to the Leon Cupra’s huge spread of ability. In some areas the others may be more focused, but the figures don’t lie: the Cupra is still sensationally fast. It feels alive to drive, too, and responds to your inputs faithfully to inspire huge confidence. Settle down to a leisurely pace and it’s the easiest to live with. Plus, its price advantage seals the place: Honda Civic Type ROutright power isn’t enough to knock the SEAT off the top spot. However, the new Civic Type R is a resounding success and has been worth the wait. It mixes devilish speed with surprising practicality, but falls short in a few areas. Its styling will divide opinion, it isn’t as well equipped and it can’t match the SEAT’s comfort – but on a twisty road it’s devastatingly place: Renaultsport Megane 275 TrophyThe Mégane RS has aged nicely. Its chassis is as sweet as ever and delivers a brawny hot hatch experience laden with feel. However, costly options are needed to keep up with rivals, so combined with lower economy, steeper depreciation, poorer practicality and a more dated interior, the Renault finishes third. The margin isn’t massive, but rivals are starting to edge further soon…Ford Focus RSDue: 2016 Price: £30,000 (est.) Engine: 4cyl, 345bhpWith similar pricing, plus more power and four-wheel drive, Ford’s new range-topping Focus RS could upstage the Civic Type R when it hits dealers next year. It’ll also offer the practicality of a five-door specs: SEAT Leon Cupra 280Honda Civic Type RRenaultsport Megane 275 TrophyOn-the-road price/total as tested£28,210/£30,450£29,995/£29,995£28,930/£34,475Residual value (after 3yrs/30,000)£12,080/ tax liability std/higher rate£1,455/£2,909£1,719/£3,439£1,658/£3,315Annual fuel cost (12k/20k miles)£1,991/£3,318£2,276/£3,794£2,378/£3,964Ins. group/quote/road tax band/cost33/£526/G/£18033/£558/H/£20536/£598/H/£205Cost of 1st/2nd/3rd service£179/£229/£179£215/£285/£365£399 (3yrs) Length/wheelbase4,271/2,631mm4,390/2,605mm4,312/2,640mmHeight/width1,434/1,816mm1,466/1,878mm1,423/1,848mmEngine4cyl in-line/1,984cc4cyl in-line/1,996cc4cyl in-line/1,998ccPeak power276/5,600 bhp/rpm306/6,500 bhp/rpm271/5,500 bhp/rpmPeak torque350/1,700 Nm/rpm400/2,500 Nm/rpm370/3,000 Nm/rpmTransmission6-spd man/fwd6-spd man/fwd6-spd man/fwdFuel tank capacity/spare wheel50 litres/space-saver50 litres/repair kit60 litres/repair kitBoot capacity (seats up/down)380/1,210 litres477/1,210 litres344/991 litresKerbweight/payload1,395/495kg1,382/318kg1,376/441kgTurning circle/drag metres/N/ metres/N/ metres/ warranty (miles)/recovery3yrs (60,000)/2yrs3yrs (90,000)/3yrs4yrs (100,000)/4yrsService intervals/UK dealers20,000 (2yrs)/12812,500 (1yr)/19618,000 (1yr)/153Driver Power manufacturer/dealer Adult/child/ped./assist/stars94/92/70/71/5^94/83/69/86/5^^83/78/60/56/5^^^ 0-60/ seconds30-50mph in 3rd/ seconds50-70mph in 5th/ secondsTop speed/rpm at 70mph155mph/2,500rpm167mph/2,600rpm159mph/2,500rpmBraking 70-0/60-0/ levels outside/idle/30/70mph70/56/64/70dB71/56/65/71dB73/56/68/73dBAuto Express econ (mpg/mpl)/ milesGovt urban/extra-urban/ urban/extra-urban/ CO2/tax bracket205/154g/km/26%234/170g/km/29%244/174g/km/29% Airbags/Isofix/park. sensors/cameraSeven/yes/yes/£215Six/yes/£2,300+/yesSix/yes/yes/£350Auto gearbox/stability/cruise control£1,355/yes/yesNo/yes/yesNo/yes/yesClimate control/leather/heated seatsYes/£1,055/£360**Yes/no/noYes/part/noMetallic paint/xenons/keyless go£575/LED/noYes/LED/yes£1,300/no/yesSat-nav/USB/DAB radio/BluetoothYes/yes/yes/yes£2,300+/yes/yes/yesYes/yes/no/yesMost PopularNew MG 4 prototype reviewRoad testsNew MG 4 prototype reviewWe try out the new all-electric MG4 ahead of its arrival in the UK25 Jul 2022New MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNewsNew MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNew small MINI electric crossover is due in a few years, and this concept gives a very strong hint of what the production-ready MINI Aceman could look…26 Jul 2022Toyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewCar group testsToyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewDoes Toyota’s all-new bZ4X electric SUV crack the family-friendly formula? 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